P. Jay Bogert III
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Reged: 08/19/05
Posts: 58
Loc: New Jersey
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I am in the market for a new off-duty/bug and want to stick with 40 S&W, and have narrowed it down to the Springfield XD or S&W M&P. I have been able to shoot the XD, but have been unable to get my hands on a M&P to conduct my own demo test. I would appreciate any input from fellow 10-8 members. Another consideration with the M&P would be double/single or DAO, and I would also love input/impressions from those members that have fired both. My agency does not allow .45 ACP by rules & regs, so all the good choices are taken out of the mix. Thanks for your assistance.
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Justin Mullins
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Reged: 11/09/07
Posts: 253
Loc: The Great American South
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I've used the XD and the M&P both quite a bit and think they are both very well made, tough and all around good shooters. If I had to pick one it would be the M&P but that is just on personnel preference. The M&P feels better to me and I shoot it a bit better. I had the normal DAO, I wasn't even aware they made a traditional double action, and it wasn't too bad. The trigger was a bit spongy but not detrimentally so and I had heard they are better now than they were. You also have the option to get one without the magazine disconnecter, which is nice.
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Ben Lenett
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Reged: 01/05/05
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Loc: Phoenix, AZ
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The M&P pistols do not have a traditional Double Action type system. The trigger is similar to a Glock. The only options on the 9/40/357 are whether or not you want a mag disconnect safety, and with or without tritium sights.
Between the XD and the M&P, I would go with the M&P. To me it is a more comfortable pistol to shoot and manipulate.
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Justin Mullins
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Reged: 11/09/07
Posts: 253
Loc: The Great American South
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Good deal, that is what I thought but I don't keep up on some of this stuff like I used to. I remember Walther had built a traditional double action into their striker fired pistol some time ago and thought maybe Smith had done the same for some reason.
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Michael Nielsen
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Reged: 05/25/07
Posts: 255
Loc: Minneapolis, Minnesota
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Hands down, agree the M&P, but dont forget the Glock 23 as an option.
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P. Jay Bogert III
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Reged: 08/19/05
Posts: 58
Loc: New Jersey
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Thanks for the input so far. Justin and Ben, a catalog I had seen listed the M&P as DAO or Double/Single...so that is why I asked. Michael, my agency issues Glocks so I am looking for something a little different. I own a S&W SW99 and have been pleased with its performance and it is a Double/Single. I was leaning toward the M&P based on reviews, but the input is helping me over the edge.
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Chuck Haggard
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Reged: 01/18/07
Posts: 791
Loc: Topeka, KS
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M&P
It's American, has changeable grips, is proving to be highly reliable and durable, easy to work on if need be, good overal system.
The M&P is the gun I recommend when folks want a .40, after our issues here I don't recommend Glocks in .40 to anyone I care about.
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John Converse
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Reged: 12/16/07
Posts: 308
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I just purchased an M&P40 as a fiftieth birthday present to myself. (I would have selected 9mm or .45, but the .40 ammunition is free.) I've only put three hundred rounds through it, but I was very impressed. There were no malfunctions. The weapon was accurate and felt comfortable in my hand. You're not going to go wrong with this weapon.
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JEL
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Reged: 02/03/06
Posts: 168
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Another consideration for you, the XD pretty much has to be returned to the factory for everything. Armorer's courses are hard to come by and even if you find one, their answer to most everything is to ship it back.
The M&P armorer's courses are fairly easy to find and the armorer can easily switch out wear parts for you.
For a safe queen, or if it is for personal rather than official use, this isn't a real consideration, however, if you intend on using the gun, it is something to think about. Stay safe.
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David Bowie
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Reged: 01/01/07
Posts: 104
Loc: Ohio
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I get many calls about building custom guns. The XD is the one gun that I calls on all the time to fix. As an instructor I see a far higher failure rate with them than any of the other new poly guns. The extracters lose tension at a high rate at very low round counts. The multi piece guide rods come apart way to often and completely lock up the gun. Also the magazines have had problems of being to soft and dent with hard use and create many feeding problems.
Don't get me wrong if you get a good one they shoot well but the over all quality control seems low.
The last thing that really creates a problem for many is the fact that the grip safety locks the slide. I have seen this many times under just training stress cause people trying to clear a malfuntion not keep it depressed and not be able to move the slide.
So after all that, M&P.
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DW Altom
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Reged: 01/05/05
Posts: 77
Loc: Kentucky
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David,
The XD's grip safety locks the slide?
I'll have to check that out. Never noticed any problems with that.
I've two XD 45s (one tactical, one compact) and like them very much. I also have a M&Pc 9mm and a M&P45 w/thumb safety, both of which I like very much.
I like the XD ergos better than the M&P, but I like the M&P trigger better than the XD.
Oddly enough, I shoot them both equally well (or bad, depending on your point of view). After about 500 rounds through each, reliability is excellent so far. Well, except for that broken firing pin in the M&Pc 9mm. Plus, I'm not crazy about 3-dot sights, but that's easily fixed for either system.
Endorsements of the M&P on this board abound. Other folks I respect, from Clint Smith to Kevin McClung, like the XD.
In short, I'd feel comfortable with either. As a matter of fact, with weaponlights, both serve roles as "house guns," one upstairs, the other down.
Since my daily carry is either a J-frame or a Glock 27 (grip modified to get rid of that hump), I guess the point is moot.
Gotta check out the grip safety, however ....
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Terry Frye
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Reged: 09/22/07
Posts: 61
Loc: Michigan
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Another vote for the M&P. I have a M&P40 that is my duty weapon and I love it. I just purchased a .45 with the thumb safety as well that is equally impressive. Great guns that are hard to beat.
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David Bowie
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Reged: 01/01/07
Posts: 104
Loc: Ohio
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David if you do not have the grip safety pressed down the XD slide will not move to the rear.
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Tim Gonterman
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Reged: 07/25/06
Posts: 20
Loc: Albuquerque, New Mexico
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Please read my reply to a thread about three months ago. This very well could have been an isolated incident.
By the way I have a service and sub-compact XD9 both of which have worked 100%. I love them both. I only use a 1911 at work though.
"I wanted to give a general heads up on the M&P 9mm Compact. I had one I bought new a couple months back that would lock back constantly with rounds in the magazines. The major problem was the pistol would cycle a round into the chamber and the trigger would stay limp and disconnected. These issues were with ball and HP ammo. The factory "fixed" it and the issues were still there upon return. They did give me my money back when they could not fix it. I had high hopes for the pistol."
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Kevin Halm
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Reged: 07/22/06
Posts: 65
Loc: Contra Costa County, CA
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I was just issued the M&P and have used the XD quite a bit in the past. I just don't like the M&P. I don't know what it is but I just don't shoot it that well. I prefer Glocks and would say take a long hard look at getting a Glock 22 or 35.
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